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	<title>Comments on: Misogyny Has a New Game: Bioshock</title>
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		<title>By: graphic</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>graphic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98iRsqWqo9Y

Yeah that´s pretty much it.</description>
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<p>Yeah that´s pretty much it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chickendude890</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1560</link>
		<dc:creator>Chickendude890</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1560</guid>
		<description>Sorry I missed that these videos were made in the 40's and 50's when everything was ok in Rapture. Andrew Ryan said also in the game that it was a time when males were the dominent gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed that these videos were made in the 40&#8217;s and 50&#8217;s when everything was ok in Rapture. Andrew Ryan said also in the game that it was a time when males were the dominent gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Chickendude890</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Chickendude890</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1559</guid>
		<description>Dude first of all, this game is based in the 1950-1960. Back then it was that men were in controll of everthing and women  had no rights to stuff adn not all the videos envlove women being attacked. Its only a humorus joke that 2K Gmaes made for the game and shoulden't be taken seriously by anybody.

Dumb***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude first of all, this game is based in the 1950-1960. Back then it was that men were in controll of everthing and women  had no rights to stuff adn not all the videos envlove women being attacked. Its only a humorus joke that 2K Gmaes made for the game and shoulden&#8217;t be taken seriously by anybody.</p>
<p>Dumb***</p>
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		<title>By: Panek_rulez</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1556</link>
		<dc:creator>Panek_rulez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-1556</guid>
		<description>Feminists suck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminists suck</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_Ryan</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew_Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-966</guid>
		<description>I must first point out that, as a free thinking, liberal citizen, I am a staunch feminist and a great supporter of woman's rights. It just so happens that I am also an objectivist. How, you must think, can this be so without some degree of hypocrisy? Simple: objectivism does not include any amount of misogyny.

I would also push you a copy of Atlas Shrugged, which it is imperative you read before throwing around your labels like an unthinking conservative.

My arguments in defense of objectivism are several.

Firstly, you pointed out that Ayn Rand was of the belief that male-worship in women is ideal. This is true. This was never, however, part of objectivist philosophy: Objectivism's central tenets never held obedience or dependence on the part of women for men. Rand herself believed that women should have an intense admiration of men, but she never compromised the integrity of women. On the whole, she was a supporter of women's and gay's rights, despite personal feelings, because her philosophy strained individualism.

Indeed, objectivism's pillars of thought are as follows: Objective reality, logic, self-interest, and capitalism. Ayn Rand was nothing more than a product of her time when it came to feminism, but objectivism was eons ahead. It is the very expression of liberalism, because it states, quite explicitly, that "You are responsible for no one but yourself," and even though Rand herself promoted hero-worship, Atlas Shrugged (and objectivism in general) does not.

So your railings against Rand and (ironically, her boyfriend, who in your point of view seems to be able to speak for her. Self-contradiction, mayhap?) her supposed anti-feminism are at least slightly appropriate. But Bioshock's objectivist balderdash does not ever hold anti-feminism as central. You must take note that, first of all, Bioshock is indeed art: the videos of destroying the "oppressive housewife" are simply a reflection of the atmosphere. Revisionist history is far more dangerous than anything else, and is an expression of patriarchal oppression like nothing else. Bioshock takes place in 1960, where that sort of thing was appropriate. It's part of the atmosphere, and you have to appreciate that from an artistic point of view.

*spoiler alerts, however they are important to my argument*

Diane McClintock and Tenenbaum are but two of many vitally important characters in Bioshock. If anything Tenenbaum being the only one to gain morality and being the only friend you have in the end (alternate endings barring) should promote a pro-feminist agenda, but you callously swipe this aside in your effort to produce hate. McClintock "got over" her hero-worship of Andrew Ryan and died at the hands of Atlas, who you then kill. I will say again: if anything, Bioshock is really rather feminist. When you kill the little girls you pay for it in the conscience dearly.

The fact that you are feminist earns you points. But the fact that you squander this important position in order to just spring hate whenever you get an inkling is very dangerous methodology. You must put research and a good deal of thought into every situation when determining what is truly misogynist and what is not. A far better rant would exist if you had railed against DOA: Beach Volleyball. But I suppose you just wanted to be a mindless contrarian.

You're giving us a bad name. Stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must first point out that, as a free thinking, liberal citizen, I am a staunch feminist and a great supporter of woman&#8217;s rights. It just so happens that I am also an objectivist. How, you must think, can this be so without some degree of hypocrisy? Simple: objectivism does not include any amount of misogyny.</p>
<p>I would also push you a copy of Atlas Shrugged, which it is imperative you read before throwing around your labels like an unthinking conservative.</p>
<p>My arguments in defense of objectivism are several.</p>
<p>Firstly, you pointed out that Ayn Rand was of the belief that male-worship in women is ideal. This is true. This was never, however, part of objectivist philosophy: Objectivism&#8217;s central tenets never held obedience or dependence on the part of women for men. Rand herself believed that women should have an intense admiration of men, but she never compromised the integrity of women. On the whole, she was a supporter of women&#8217;s and gay&#8217;s rights, despite personal feelings, because her philosophy strained individualism.</p>
<p>Indeed, objectivism&#8217;s pillars of thought are as follows: Objective reality, logic, self-interest, and capitalism. Ayn Rand was nothing more than a product of her time when it came to feminism, but objectivism was eons ahead. It is the very expression of liberalism, because it states, quite explicitly, that &#8220;You are responsible for no one but yourself,&#8221; and even though Rand herself promoted hero-worship, Atlas Shrugged (and objectivism in general) does not.</p>
<p>So your railings against Rand and (ironically, her boyfriend, who in your point of view seems to be able to speak for her. Self-contradiction, mayhap?) her supposed anti-feminism are at least slightly appropriate. But Bioshock&#8217;s objectivist balderdash does not ever hold anti-feminism as central. You must take note that, first of all, Bioshock is indeed art: the videos of destroying the &#8220;oppressive housewife&#8221; are simply a reflection of the atmosphere. Revisionist history is far more dangerous than anything else, and is an expression of patriarchal oppression like nothing else. Bioshock takes place in 1960, where that sort of thing was appropriate. It&#8217;s part of the atmosphere, and you have to appreciate that from an artistic point of view.</p>
<p>*spoiler alerts, however they are important to my argument*</p>
<p>Diane McClintock and Tenenbaum are but two of many vitally important characters in Bioshock. If anything Tenenbaum being the only one to gain morality and being the only friend you have in the end (alternate endings barring) should promote a pro-feminist agenda, but you callously swipe this aside in your effort to produce hate. McClintock &#8220;got over&#8221; her hero-worship of Andrew Ryan and died at the hands of Atlas, who you then kill. I will say again: if anything, Bioshock is really rather feminist. When you kill the little girls you pay for it in the conscience dearly.</p>
<p>The fact that you are feminist earns you points. But the fact that you squander this important position in order to just spring hate whenever you get an inkling is very dangerous methodology. You must put research and a good deal of thought into every situation when determining what is truly misogynist and what is not. A far better rant would exist if you had railed against DOA: Beach Volleyball. But I suppose you just wanted to be a mindless contrarian.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re giving us a bad name. Stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bioshock is NOT Sexist</title>
		<link>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Bioshock is NOT Sexist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://99lives.org/2007/10/08/misogyny-has-a-new-game-bioshock/#comment-897</guid>
		<description>yea... I hope you realize that the women are only getting hit by plasmids on 2-3 of those little videos, don't you?
The other videos have men being attacked.
There isn't only one women character in this game.
try counting the girls, the lady that made the Chemical wep., the mobs that attack you, and of course Tenenbaum.
If this game is "sexist" then why is there an option to SAVE the girls?
If this game is "sexist" then why are the main people that you kill are MEN?
Tenenbaum has one of the longest screen times on this game, besides the character you play as, Ryan, and Atlas. She has the same amount of screen time as Atlas does, and even more.
Also, if this game is sexist, why is it that Tenenbaum and the little sisters live and all the other male characters die? (except for the character that is saving them)
If this game is sexist then why is it that the girls end up killing the final boss instead of some man killing him?
You really should pay more attention to this game. you only got 1/4 of the game down.
This game is NOT sexist in any shape or form.
You obviously do not understand the concept of the game; therefore, you shouldn't have even made this 'forum' over Bioshock being a misogynistic game, because it's obviously not.

Think before you do.

-CSG-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea&#8230; I hope you realize that the women are only getting hit by plasmids on 2-3 of those little videos, don&#8217;t you?<br />
The other videos have men being attacked.<br />
There isn&#8217;t only one women character in this game.<br />
try counting the girls, the lady that made the Chemical wep., the mobs that attack you, and of course Tenenbaum.<br />
If this game is &#8220;sexist&#8221; then why is there an option to SAVE the girls?<br />
If this game is &#8220;sexist&#8221; then why are the main people that you kill are MEN?<br />
Tenenbaum has one of the longest screen times on this game, besides the character you play as, Ryan, and Atlas. She has the same amount of screen time as Atlas does, and even more.<br />
Also, if this game is sexist, why is it that Tenenbaum and the little sisters live and all the other male characters die? (except for the character that is saving them)<br />
If this game is sexist then why is it that the girls end up killing the final boss instead of some man killing him?<br />
You really should pay more attention to this game. you only got 1/4 of the game down.<br />
This game is NOT sexist in any shape or form.<br />
You obviously do not understand the concept of the game; therefore, you shouldn&#8217;t have even made this &#8216;forum&#8217; over Bioshock being a misogynistic game, because it&#8217;s obviously not.</p>
<p>Think before you do.</p>
<p>-CSG-</p>
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